Wednesday, August 15, 1984

The Terminals.

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On '21/04/29 I asked on the 1980's Punk Rockers in London, Ontario Facebook group:

"Digging through old slides I have these color photos of the Terminals at Victoria Tavern (helpfully identified by Dave O'Halloran) circa 1984 which have been shared before. 

But then Google facial identification found some additional BW photos from another concert (I know not where). If you have any thoughts, memories, etc. about the Terminals or either of these events please share. 

I'm curious about the drummer in the BW photos, that can't be the same as in the color photos. One is Pete Timmins but surely they're different people. The BW drummer looks so much younger."

And, sure enough, I quickly got the answers and feedback from loyal fans of the era. Dave O'Halloran identified the Victoria Tavern in the color slides and named the players: "Terminals at Victoria Tavern and 84 sounds right for the date. Mike Timmins gtr/vocals, Dave Clark grt/vocals, Laurie Wedge bass, Pete Timmins  drums."

Dave and others quickly identified the young drummer in the black and white photos as James MacLean who drummed with them from '79-82 when Pete Timmins took over the roll. He also pointed out that all of this is well documented in What Wave #24 (which I have somewhere). In any case, that information helps to set the time frame for those photos. 

After some discussion there's agreement that those BW photos would have been for a gig at the Embassy Hotel (Mike Timmins recalls the poster created by Dave Clark as seen behind James which advertises Aug 9, 10, 11). Dave O'Halloran recognizes the ceiling tiles, etc. as the Embassy. From What Wave #24 I see that Laurie Wedge (bass) and James MacLean (drums) were together in the band in '81 but Mike Timmins assures us that this gig would have been in '82. So I'll tag those pictures as being from Aug 9-10, 1981 at the Embassy Tavern, London. 

Michelle Lundy noticed, if you do a close up of Laurie Wedge’s pant leg in the BW photos, you'll find the slogan "So I kill children".  Quite the punk ethos!

The band had some avid fans who remember them fondly. On the Facebook thread we have:

Larry Brandt: "Love this. All these people were great. (and no doubt, they still are) (not quite sure what to say about those shorts Dave..... LOL)"

Ian Trotter: "These guys where crazy entertaining"

The thread got lots of engagement and several comments on the photos which I'm happy to share.

The Terminals are mentioned in "The Beginnings of Punk Rock in London" (What Wave Dave O'Halloran's blog) and appear on the What Wave #24 compilation (Side B): "The Terminals – D Generation:  Hardcore punk. Think D.O.A. The kind of stuff your parents hate. 1984 studio sessions." The London Music Archives hosted by CHRW (sadly offline at this writing) had a 1984 single: The Terminals - "We Killed" b/w "Don't Yell, Buy Us Beer". There's much more to discover if you dig deeper.

Given all the above it's not exactly clear when the later gig happened. I have arbitrarily filed this in my blog with a summer of '84 date and I'm happy to share these photos.

This blog composed during April of 2021 during the COVID-19 pandemic. Slides and negatives were scanned in 2012.

Friday, June 15, 1984

The Dicks

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Sometime during the summer of 1984 (I suspect it was in June) Kate and I were in Cincinnati for a conference of mine. As I recall this  was our first road trip together into the USA, we had rented a car for the trip, and we made it a bit of an adventure exploring the Ohio backroads on the way down and the greater Cincinnati area while at the conference.

One of our fun music adventures was to see "The Dicks" play at a seedy Newport, Kentucky bar just across the river from Cincinnati (we stayed in nearby Covington, KY). We really didn't know much about the band but figured out it was a punk night out and we were up for it. The photo album at left has some pictures of the event.

The pictures show that the "Big Dick" (real name Gary Floyd) really threw himself into the music. He's a big guy, quite intense and by the end of the evening he's soaking wet from sweating.

Wikipedia tells me this was the "San Francisco" and 2nd version of "The Dicks" with this lineup: Gary Floyd (vox), Tim Carroll (gtr), Sebastian Fuchs (bass), and Lynn Perko (drums). Lynn is notable as a female drummer. They had released the LP's Kill From The Heart (1983) and would follow that with These People (1986) which I have. If I were to put a name to their music I'd say, "hardcore".

The band was formed in Austin in 1980, then moved to San Fancisco in 1983 and folded in 1986. In 1988 we were in San Francisco and saw "Sister Double Happiness" (with the Big Dick singing) open for the "Butthole Surfers" (another Austin band). We've been travelling to Austin for many years now with our first visit in 1990. We love the music we find in Austin but no longer follow the punk scene.

There was a local opening act that night, whose name I've forgotten. There's some pictures of them in the photo album. The bass player is a striking young woman in the Joan Jett mold. The notable thing there was the dancing style. The bar had a very large dance floor and the fans were into a style of dancing that involved running around the floor swinging their arms and taking long loping steps. We'd never seen this before, I believe it's called "skanking".

Another tidbit — after the show we discovered that I had locked the keys in the car. Some of the locals at the show helped us break into the car. A police patrol drove by while we were doing that but didn't seem phased by a couple of young men breaking into a car in front of a seedy bar on what would have been "the wrong side of town".

This blog is filed on an arbitrary date in June of 1984. Slides were scanned and these recollections composed during the pandemic lock down of May, 2021.

Cincinnati Road Trip

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In June of 1984 I had a conference in Cincinnati, Ohio. Kate and I made a road trip and holiday out of it. We rented a car (at the time we biked everywhere or rode the city bus) and took the back roads down avoiding the interstate where we could. While you can easily do this in one day, we toured around and stayed overnight along the way. This would have been my first adventure across the border into the USA.

We drove the backroads of Highway 3 in Ontario to Windsor and Detroit where we crossed on the Ambassador bridge. Navigating the city of Detroit to find the I75 Southbound was a bit of an eye opener. Detroit was pretty bleak and abandoned back then (as it is now), not the kind of place you'd want to get lost. So of course we were lost. We did find our way and stayed at a Knights Inn along the way (I think it was near Findlay, Ohio). Our room was tricked out with garish purple bed spreads in a Graceland meets the Chicken Ranch motif. But it was clean and comfortable enough. We explored a neighborhood bar that night.

Neighborhood bars, and the drinking culture, were something I found fascinating. Coming from Ontario where drinking and alcohol are strictly controlled it was culturally fascinating to find all these small local bars where people just hung out chatting and drinking ... all day long. That first bar had a "Mickey Mouse" motif (not sanctioned by Disney Corp.) with all sorts of souvenirs that regulars had brought in. The lady behind the bar, the owner, told us that they were light heartedly disparaging the bar, that Mickey Mouse joint, but she went along with it.

The next day was spent on our way through the backroads of small town Ohio which, apart from the bars and many flags, looks an awful lot like the small town Ontario we explored along the first part of our trip. We toured an historic home (the Piatt Castle near West Liberty) and went underground to explore the nearby Ohio Caverns (stalactites, stalagmites). That was the first underground cavern we explored, we saw many others in the years to come.

The small town of Yellow Springs, just to the east of Dayton, was a pleasant hippy dippy kind of town with lots of interesting shops and restaurants to explore before finding our way into Cincinnati and surrounds. I recall having Skyline Chili at least once, it's a style unique to the area. Everytime we drive the I75 through the area we remark about dropping in again and having a bowl.

The conference was held in downtown Cincinnati at a huge convention centre and there would have been an expensive splashy conference hotel. We stayed instead across the Ohio River in Covington, Kentucky at the foot of the Blue Iron Bridge (John A. Roebling Suspension Bridge) in a much cheaper and quite comfortable two story motel, "The Gateway", with free parking and an outdoor pool with a view of the city. It was a reasonable walk across the river into the city to the conference.

The Kentucky side of the river was definitely an interesting area. Cincinnati has a reputation as being prissy, Kentucky is definitely down to earth. At the foot of the bridge were several bottle shops, along the street there were seedy bars (like the "Sly Fox" where a young girl, working for the bar, would get you to buy her a drink), corner shops advertised and sold all sorts of beers and liquor, definitely a run down kind of neighborhood. Liquor and drinking venues were much more strictly controlled in Ohio. In nearby Newport we went to a seedy bar one night to see a now legendary punk band — "The Dicks" (from Austin TX via San Francisco CA).

To the north of the city center on higher ground we visited Calhoun Street at the one end of the University of Cincinnati. Another "high ground" neighborhood we visited was Mt Adams, to the NE of the city centre. We caught a couple of shows. There was an interesting Doo-Wop band, "Smokin' the Students", playing at a place called Chapter 13. Reg made friends with a cute dog that had recently been clipped/sheared rather raggedly. The owner explained to us that the dog had long hair and would be miserable in the summer heat so he did this himself every year.

One evening Kate and I took a paddle boat tour of the Ohio River on the Mark Twain departing at the KY side of the Blue Iron Bridge. It was a pleasant warm evening and we enjoyed the views of the city and the many bridges we pass under. It's a small tour boat, not the grand paddle wheelers you might expect. There are several tours you might take with BB Riverboats. I understand you can take a very long cruise from here and down the Mississippi to New Orleans. There are very modest boats on the river — an an outing one day we crossed the river downstream from Cincinnati on the small Anderson Ferry. The Ohio is quite a big river and, while there are many bridges within the city, sometimes a small ferry is all you have.

Another interesting place we visited was the historic Art Deco Cincinnati Union Terminal. Kate loves the style and this old train station is a fine example. It's a round 1/4 dome shaped building. It's located to the west of the city centre and, at the time, didn't seem active as a train station. Instead it was full of shops. I understand there's now a museum there.

We kept seeing signs for Hudepohl Beers, especially Christian Moerlein (Cincinnati Select Beer), and did a tour of the local brewery which was to the west of the downtown in an older industrial area. There were just a few of us on the tour. The guide told us, since we weren't locals, that they'd put the same beer into two different cans — a cheaper drug store brand and one with their own name. I used to search out Christian Moerlein on subsequent trips to the US and we still have a metal beer tray with the Art Noveau lady sipping a beer.

We also did a couple of high views. There's a tall viewing platform downtown on top of a building near the convention where the city is quite tall. The other, perhaps more interesting, was the revolving restaurant in Covington near the I75 bridge. From both you have good views of the city.

Final pictures in the album are a return to the farming country of Michigan and Ontario.

We've been through Cincinnati on the I75 many times over the years — on our way south to Florida, or Texas, or Nashville, etc. We've not been back to the city for a visit but we ought to. It was an adventure when we did.

These photos where scanned and these notes were composed during the pandemic lockdown of May 2021.

Sunday, June 3, 1984

63 Monroe, Misc.

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June 3, 2024. We're still traveling but our London Punk music archivist has been busy with old band photos. Our friend Dave O'Halloran (aka What Wave Dave on CHRW) has been sharing on Facebook, with our grateful permission, photos that we had taken of various bands back in the 1980's. Today Dave writes in 1980's Punk Rockers in London, Ontario group:

"Here's some more Reg Quinton photos. This is some of the 63 Monroe pics that were missed in previous posts. And 63 Monroe are playing Saturday at Palasad. These are pics from Cedar Lounge (approx 1982), Firehall (approx 1983) and one from Fryfogles with Brian the Math Teacher up front."

I've added the Firehall and Fryfogles photos to existing albums. As for the Cedar Lounge pictures, I commented, "The 4 pics from the Cedar Lounge may not be mine. I can't find them in my archives and can't find any where the guys are in similar outfits. Not sure about those ones, the others yes."

We're going to miss the Palasad event; I'd dearly love to be there to shoot the boys and get into the mayhem but we will still be travelling. Ps. traveling at this age is not as much for as when we were younger and more mobile.

Many thanks to Dave for his work organizing photos and figuring out the location and time for many of these old and faded memories.

— 2024/12/21 I have moved this post in my blog to a date near when the photos were taken. .. I have arbitrarily picked a date in 1984.

Monday, May 28, 1984

63 Monroe, Embassy

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This morning, May 28, 2024, we're in Fremantle, WA and awake in to gale force weather. A world away ...

Our friend Dave O'Halloran (aka What Wave Dave on CHRW) has been sharing on Facebook, with our grateful permission, photos that we had taken of various bands back in the 1980's. We arrive in Brisbane, Australia this morning to discover that Dave has been busy. He's identified a large collection of photos of 63 Monroe from a late 80's event. Dave writes in 1980's Punk Rockers in London, Ontario:

"Here's some more Reg Quinton photos, this time 63 Monroe at the Embassy circa 1984.  Classic lineup of the band with; Pete Dekoker, Jeff Rooth, Markii Burnaway and Steven R Stunning."

This was a particularly memorable gig with the band dressed in outlandish costumes. Everyone who was there remembers it vividly.

The photos are particularly bad — overexposed, bad color balance. When we return home I'll see if I can dig out the slides and scan them again.

I'm not sure if these photos have been shared before, I suspect they have not. But, in any case, many thanks to Dave for his work organizing these old photos and figuring out the location and time for many of them.

— 2024/12/21 I have moved this post to the approximate date of the event ... sometime in 1984.

Friday, May 4, 1984

The Clash

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Kate and I saw the Clash (the only band that really matters) on Friday May 4, 1984 at the University of Waterloo. We were punk fans and really liked the band. We drove over from London after work and returned that night. 

The sold out concert was held in the school gymnasium and we had seats high up and far from the stage. I took a few photos but they're pretty crappy -- too far away, too over exposed. But they're a record of where we were. You can, if you squint hard, make out Joe and Paul playing.

This tour was sort of the last hurrah of a great band that was disintegrating. Topper Headon (drums) was replaced years earlier and Mick Jones (guitar) had just left the band to form Big Audio Dynamite. Joe Strummer (guitar) and Paul Simonon (bass) remained. Mick was replaced with a couple of young punks on guitars -- Nick Sheppard and Vince White. The show was pretty frantic with lots of running around the stage. At one point, one of the new guys (I can't recall which), was running around stage right and ran right off the stage into the crowd. I'm pretty sure he didn't mean to do that. He couldn't have been hurt too badly as the show continued without any break or let up.

There's a web site which gives a set list for the concert. I can't speak to the accuracy.

This version of the Clash went on to record the often overlooked album "Cut the Crap". I have the LP and had ripped a version into my digital collection. For the longest time that album wasn't available and often denied in the Clash history (but see YouTube Playlist for the album). There are several tunes from that session that I really like -- "We Are The Clash" and "This is England" really stand out while "Three Card Trick" has a nice bass line and a great reggae beat. It's an album with some definite high spots.

I was sad when the Clash broke up shortly after. There's never been a band quite like them.

Ps. Photos in the album are scans of push processed B&W negatives taken at the time. I had never printed them. This note and the scans were prepared during the COVID-19 lockdown of February 2021.


Tuesday, April 10, 1984

Conning Tower, Bullwinkles

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Our friend Dave O'Halloran (aka What Wave Dave on CHRW) has been sharing on Facebook, with our grateful permission, photos that we had taken of various bands back in the 1980's. Today, May 5, 2024, Dave writes in 1980's Punk Rockers in London, Ontario:

"Here's some more Reg Quinton pics. This time it's Conning Tower at Bullwinkles circa 1984.

At this time the band consisted of Mark Goodwin, Linda Harvey and Billy Wallace. They released one 7" record with Brian Hodgson on drums in 1984.

Bullwinkles was on King St, south side between Richmond and Clarence. The building is still standing and went through a number of names; Kelly's Boogie Parlour, Bullwinkles,  Salt Lounge and for awhile it was a mall."

Mark Goodwin was an incredibly talented fellow and formed several bands over the years (Second Thoughts and The Magic Bin Men are mentioned in this blog). While I never knew him personally, we did establish a bit of back and forth on Facebook. I recall that I was after a copy of some music of his that I had lost. He was glad to share but expressed an embarrassment over some of his efforts. Everyone lands a clunker some time. If any were clunkers, they were only a few. Sadly he passed away recently at the very young age of only 64 years. See his Montreal Obituary.

Most of these photos have been shared before — see 2021 Conning Tower post in this blog. In that post I was sure the bar was Key West. Dave and Dan Rudbal have convinced me I was wrong. Dan writes "Reg, that is indeed BULLWINKLES ..the stage was eventually switched to the back wall, these photos are when it was along the East side wall."

Many thanks to Dave for his work organizing photos and figuring out the location and time for many of these.

— 2024/12/21 I have moved this post in my blog to the approximate date of the event.